Youmacon 2011 Official Feedback

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Youmacon 2011 Official Feedback

Postby mgperkow » Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:46 pm

How was your con this year? Tell us what you loved! Tell us what you hated! What do you want to see again? What would you like to see change? Post your feedback here.

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Re: Youmacon 2011 Official Feedback

Postby cheesecake » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:09 pm

I already posted in the con complaints thread, so I just deleted that post to post in here haha.

IMO, this convention was better than last year because of the organization. Remember when the registration line was on the 3rd floor? This made the the hallway 2/3rds the size it was supposed to be. Remember when there were no staff for elevators? Basically, whoever was the most "pushy" got to use an elevator. Cutting and cheating were at the forefront. I didn't see a lot of rude staff members this year (at least compared to last year). I think the better organization led to people not having to yell at others

Shoutouts to Credits Remaining. I was fairly disappointed when I found out that In the Groove 2 wouldn't be there this year, but you guys made up for it. I could see staff in the gaming room making sure that everything was running. People would ask them questions about the game itself (how do you get into x and x menu or do this) and they would know the answer or try to find it. When the DDR machine wasn't working, they actually worked on it day and night to try and revive it. Although it ended up with a ghetto monitor from a pac-man machine, I was glad that they got it working. I loved how they were even concerned about the machine sync with the new monitor. I know that can be an issue, but most arcade ops don't care about stuff like that. The pads on both the DDR and pump were actually pretty good. The DDR machine that alpha brought last year was laughable at best. I guarantee if alpha had a broken DDR monitor, they wouldn't do anything about it. As far as the game room itself goes, I absolutely LOVED that they let us bring in bags this year. That made things so much easier for me. I think they blocked off the bathrooms in the game room (at least for congoers), which was a minor disappointment, but if it was a choice between bathrooms or bags, I would pick bags.

The place is always going to be crowded, but I agree that there could have been a bigger area for the game room, dealer's room, etc. I didn't even get a chance to go to the dealer's room because of the line lolz. I felt like there weren't enough controllers for some of the games. Why was there a smash bros. setup with only 2? Was it a space issue? I really didn't like when the game room had that 3 hour air out session starting on midnight saturday morning. I have no idea if that was preventable or not or why it had to happen. The mini rave was a pretty cool way to keep people occupied though. As far as incidents regarding panels goes, I didn't attend any panels this year so I didn't really know anything about those. All of my nitpicks are from gaming and general con stuff.

tl;dr I definitely saw that the youma staff and hotel staff improved this year. Good job guys
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Re: Youmacon 2011 Official Feedback

Postby Wings of Mana » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:34 pm

Right, I also agree that overall the con was much better this year than last year. But I still encountered some problems.

1. I was told on the official Youmacon twitter that the at-con registration line up was going to be only 45 minutes to an hour. I arrived at 9:30am in the hopes of getting a good spot in the line-up, but I was severely disappointed because it took me almost 2 hours to get my badge (That is, reg opened at 12pm and I get my badge at 1:50pm). I was impressed that there seemed to be more organization regarding registration this year, but I didn't see any results from it (I missed the entirety of the opening ceremonies because of this, it was disappointing :s).

2. Dealer's room seemed twice as crowded as last year (probably from the increase in con-goers). I did like however, that you made people line up in an organized manner to prevent over crowding (it was crowded enough already >.<). I figure this issue is already being worked on next year since the con is expanding to Cobo :)

3. Overall I'd like better communication between staff and con-goers. My biggest example of this was the Little Kuriboh roast. The Panel was supposed to start at 10pm and finish at midnight, but no one was let in until 11:30pm. I realize there are probably reasons for this, but there was zero communication as to what was going on, what the hold up was, or even how long to expect to wait. I also checked my program and no one should have been in that room for at least an hour. So what was going on? We still don't know the reason and the con's almost over.
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Re: Youmacon 2011 Official Feedback

Postby kortlynn89 » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:39 pm

this was my first con, and i thought it was awesome. i didn't know what to expect, but i know i was lame and was passed out in bed before 9pm both friday and last night. but i did lots of walking, and that i'm not used to. my room was on the eleventh floor so a majority of the time we came down and went up it was via stairs; a couple of people were ticking me off by complaining about the elevators, and i know they were pissy because the con staff kicked some of them out of the elevators on thursday night because they were going down to up. but i was on edge at that point so i had to walk away.
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Re: Youmacon 2011 Official Feedback

Postby [sugarhigh] » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:05 pm

I usually have a few complaints but this year was truly great, and it was really hard for me to think of anything that I didn't like. I felt that overall, the con is getting really great, and I love watching this convention grow over the past few years. We go every year and it's nice to see the convention getting bigger and better as time goes by.

CONS:

1. The price. I'm not sure how badges and pricing for cons goes, but I think Youmacon is a little bit overpriced for it's size. We also attend ACEN as often as possible, and the ticket prices there are the same as Youmacon's. The con in Chicago is far larger, and offers a lot more in respect to the dealer's room, artist alley and panels to attend. I think Youmacon could be a bit cheaper, but I can't really complain because you guys have a wicked awesome pre-register offer that's very cheap.

2. Location. I'm happy we are expanding next year because it is getting pretty crowded in here! I love that we are becoming bigger, but the layout of the Ren-Cen is not really made well for anime conventions. I think the escalators get a bit awkward, and it's pretty hectic around floor 3. I will be welcoming some wide open, flat areas to walk around in next year because the circular, multiple level space we have now can be a bit awkward--- especially for big costumes like ours! :)

3. The dealer's room and artist alley could do with some re-modeling. I think that the spacing between the tables for both areas was far too narrow. It became very hard to walk around through these parts since there was barely any room for those who were standing at booths buying and those who were walking by.


PROS!:

1. THE RAVES. Holy good **** Youmacon. You guys truly outdid it this time. I always complained about the raves because they were small, short, and the DJ's didn't really enthuse me or my friends to dance all night. This year was a BLAST. I love that the raves went on for half the night, it stays true to the culture and is something fun for anime night owls to do. Most of us stayed out all night, we raved by the speakers, the music was amazing and the atmosphere you guys had going really helped keep up the dancing well after hours. I really hope you guys keep it up and keep hiring DJ's that know how to rock it out! Thanks for some amazing nights.

2. The elevators! Thank you so much for working something out. I could not complain enough last year about the lack of order around them. It was chaotic, and this year really improved. It was nice to take elevators up or down without having to stand around for hours, and the orderly fashion really kept things moving along. Thanks so much for taking a clusterfudge, and turning it into something efficient.

This year was really succesful! You guys did a great job putting together a con, and I really had a fantastic time.
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Re: Youmacon 2011 Official Feedback

Postby Takeo » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:37 pm

WEll this being my second time attending I have to say it was a lot of fun, it was a lot better organized than last year, I got to find the places I want to go! The Game room was so much fun I really enjoyed that, I wish I could have stayed for two nights and experienced the night time fun, like the rave never been to that yet, but overall I would say it was great I'm looking forward to next year!
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Re: Youmacon 2011 Official Feedback

Postby karmada » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:39 pm

For once, I don't have much to say!

Namely, because I was SO BUSY in the alley, I actually didn't have a lot of time to even spend in the actual convention. (Not complaining though - I love being busy!)

First, I wanted to give you guys a HUGE THANK YOU for having a queue line for the elevators, and blocking levels off to make getting to your room much easier. It was amazing and wonderful and thank you thank you thank you. Getting down was a little more difficult, but I wasn't too high up, and if I was patient I'd find an opening to go down.

Second, anybody know the final count of attendance? I know it's still Sunday evening and numbers are getting crunched, but I'm very very curious on how many people attended. All I know is that if I looked out from my booth on Saturday evening, every level, escalator and walkway was FILLED with people.

Lastly, this relates back to the elevators - and if the show is moving like the rumors I say, this part may not have much weight to it - I had a little bit of a difficult time getting to the artists alley with all of my gear. My wire frames and a couple of the boxes are too large to fit up the narrower escalators, so I would have to use the elevators. Unfortunately, the level I needed (4) had been disabled in attempts to reign in the traffic (which was a brilliant move). So I did some searching and found a lovely staff member to help me get up to the 4th floor. She was super friendly and helpful and was able to find me a way up to that particular floor.

Long story short, is if there are floors that will be deactivated, it might be wise to alert the artists or the AADH that we may need to know who to talk to in order to get our stuff upstairs. :D But staff gal, whoever you were - I didn't catch your badge name - you were awesome. Thank you for the help!

:) Good con guys, and I'm DEFINITELY going to be back next year.
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Re: Youmacon 2011 Official Feedback

Postby ReiTheJelly » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:43 pm

PROS:
+ The RenCen staff dealing with the elevators. One thousand thumbs up. Longest wait time was about 10 minutes, instead of last year's 1 hour. I was also really impressed they were taking such a serious stance regarding elevator behavior. My roommate witnessed a guy being led away by RenCen Security for jumping in the elevators. They asked for his badge and told him he was being escorted out of the hotel.

+ Volunteers working the registration lines were very organized. Kudos.


CONS:
- There was essentially no organization of elevators on Sunday. With everyone trying to make the 11am check-out time, this causes some serious back-ups. The Marriott could do itself a favor and stagger the check-out times, so they don't have thousands of people fleeing at once.

- The cost. Youmacon's prices are on par with most major conventions, yet they offer very little in return (no Japanese guests, no well-known bands). For the price I pay, I expect something at least on the same level as Katsucon or ACEN.

- Lack of Japanese guests. I don't care one fig about American voice actors.

- Registration. While a huge improvement from last year, it's still ridiculous; I got in line at 10:30 on Friday morning and it took 4 hours to get through. So many of us show up Thursday night - why not have regular registration, in addition to pre-registration?!

- Schedule. (1) Why not print up a pocket schedule, like many other cons? Most people can't carry that ginormous thing around! (2) It didn't have all the information. It was just by luck that I figured out WHERE to go for the hall cosplay judging. Sign-up information is visible, but actual judging location was almost impossible to find. By chance, I saw it labeled on the map...it wasn't listed anywhere in the Cosplay section of the booklet.



Over-all, I give this con a solid B+.
It needs to be in a true convention center (splitting the con between the RenCen and Cobo will most likely be super-weird and cause issues); we have outgrown the RenCen and its bizarre circular layout, just like we outgrew the Hyatt and Sheraton. Lack of guests and interesting panels made this year feel a bit mediocre. *shrugs*
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Re: Youmacon 2011 Official Feedback

Postby BatLoverGirl » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:43 pm

My one major complaint was that I was told by the person taking the registrations for hall cosplay that "human pokemon" were not allowed to enter. I wasn't wearing a gijinka I was the actual pokemon, no matter how I tried to explain it she would not accept my entry. And yet what is basically a gijinka won a judges award. Either that was misinformation or she was just too lazy to take my entry. I worked really hard on my costume and finished every single detail. I would have loved to have entered.
I expected the crowds and long waits, it's been the same at every youmacon since 2005, the first 2 weren't as crowded. The Roast could have been better planned though, I waited even though it was over an hour after it was supposed to start, very glad I did though. This could have been rectified by having more people to help with tear down. I don't know if this was something the youmacon people did or hotel people.
My other minor complaint is that 3 or 4 of the panels I wanted to go to were during major events that you really don't want to miss (Masquerade, Mario Party 18+) or at the same time forcing me to choose. I know there is a limited amount of time, so I have no suggestions how to fix that. Just a thought.
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Re: Youmacon 2011 Official Feedback

Postby Chaosmaster8753 » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:59 pm

I had a brilliant time, I will be back next year for sure. Long lines are annoying, but you can't really have a big con with a lot of people without them. I do agree with pricing being a bit of an issue, it bothered me while in the Dealer Room, but I can't really do a thing about it, sadly. As for registration, I guess I just had a different experience with it considering I got my room pretty early and my friends were nice enough to put my luggage in there while I got my badge.
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Re: Youmacon 2011 Official Feedback

Postby bankai_shinigami » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:24 pm

While I had a couple of issues, they weren't anything that the convention could really control. I was thrilled that registration went smoother this year. Looks like they were finally able to adapt to the layout. Which is wonderful!

There was only one thing that I was confused about: With the Whose Line panel, when we asked a staff member for some help, they told us that they "couldn't touch the equipment in our panel room" even though they were using the same equipment in their room. Any reasoning behind this? Because we were all a little confused by this.

The only other thing took some getting used to was the whole "some floors are off limits" as well as the elevator control situation. There was one point where I was heading up to my room from floor 1 (Where the sign said I should get on at) and I was told by a rather rude hotel staffer that I "couldn't get on this elevator" (including his hand meeting my shoulder, which was not needed). I catch another elevator to find that the same employee and two others (Who had also been in the elevator) were on the same floor I would have been going to. Anybody else have this happen?

Other than that, I know that I had a load of fun. See you all next year!
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Re: Youmacon 2011 Official Feedback

Postby ClefJ » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:30 pm

Yes, 'LINES' the Convention.

My personal shoutout to the hotel staff though. Very helpful. Most especially their Elevator staff, so polite and ensured safety and expediency! It was greatly appreciated.

And, although late by an eon, the TFS 18+ panel was still hilarious.

The only thing I might want to see changed is perhaps the hotel itself. With 10k people, the halls may seem too small for any proper convention. There doesn't seem to be a limit to how many tickets are sold. I'm unsure of any actual convention centers in Detroit, and goodness knows it's difficult to move around in that town. I hear there's going to be an expansion to some other building a few blocks down the road? My concern for pedestrian safety is unavoidable. Someplace with an actual wide-open area with consistent traffic and breathing room like E3 or Comicon or something would be preferable, but I've not been to either and don't really have room to complain. XD And I had no idea that you couldn't take 'professional pictures' (Like if you had a website or professional camera or something) outside or anywhere else in the building beyond the hotel proper. 'GM Permission is absolutely needed, show me your papers!' were the words I got from a security officer when someone was taking my picture by the riverfront.

Staff was more polite it seemed this year, and with the greater level of communication with hotel staff, it was a very enjoyable time.
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Re: Youmacon 2011 Official Feedback

Postby kortlynn89 » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:37 pm

ClefJ wrote:Yes, 'LINES' the Convention.

My personal shoutout to the hotel staff though. Very helpful. Most especially their Elevator staff, so polite and ensured safety and expediency! It was greatly appreciated.

And, although late by an eon, the TFS 18+ panel was still hilarious.

The only thing I might want to see changed is perhaps the hotel itself. With 10k people, the halls may seem too small for any proper convention. There doesn't seem to be a limit to how many tickets are sold. I'm unsure of any actual convention centers in Detroit, and goodness knows it's difficult to move around in that town. I hear there's going to be an expansion to some other building a few blocks down the road? My concern for pedestrian safety is unavoidable. Someplace with an actual wide-open area with consistent traffic and breathing room like E3 or Comicon or something would be preferable, but I've not been to either and don't really have room to complain. XD And I had no idea that you couldn't take 'professional pictures' (Like if you had a website or professional camera or something) outside or anywhere else in the building beyond the hotel proper. 'GM Permission is absolutely needed, show me your papers!' were the words I got from a security officer when someone was taking my picture by the riverfront.

Staff was more polite it seemed this year, and with the greater level of communication with hotel staff, it was a very enjoyable time.


the cobo center is pretty much just a little bit down the river walk, its not that hard to get to, maybe like a 5-10 minute walk if that.
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Re: Youmacon 2011 Official Feedback

Postby daegan » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:39 pm

PLUS: Oh wow, I didn't think the elevator queue idea would work. But did it ever. It's too bad it doesn't really work on the floors, but even in a one-way fashion it's great.

PLUS: I don't know how many people were watching the streaming but all the stuff around the tournaments etc in the game room was great. Youmacon continues to lead the way for anime con game rooms in terms of tournaments and support (thank you for having a Catherine tournament, even though I had to miss it!)

MINUS: I still wish the game room had had some more Japanese games - a shmup or two would be cool to see, but I understand that fighters and FPS is what's popular. And I do love my fighters.

MINUS: The technical setup situation for panelists was unacceptable. One microphone in each panel room and no projector on Thursday? We had two mics and a mixer at all of our panels in 2010 and I don't understand what changed between this year and last for the ball to get dropped so poorly. I understand that our Thursday projector issue was the hotel's fault; I don't know what happened with the mics but I'm begging you guys to fix this. Not only is it hard to hear an unmic'd panelist but for panels with two or more presenters it seriously damages the dynamic of the hosts. If there is only one thing that got fixed next year it must be this.

PLUS: Subway and the candy shop staying open late, even though I didn't take advantage. Also noticed more little food stands which again is great.

MINUS: Attendees need to be more considerate of each other. Yelling "WE'RE FULL TAKE THE STAIRS" at people who clearly have a ton of luggage and are weary isn't cool, not only for the person waiting but for the other people in the elevator. The same for people who insist on taking cosplay photos immediately where they stand instead of going off to the side, or stopping at the bottom or top of an escalator. We run a panel where we explain this for a reason, but I do wish people would think more of how their words and actions impact others. Youmacon should have a feeling of camaraderie, not hostility.

PLUS: Achievement list in the program ;)

MINUS: The schedule for Thursday was printed wrong, causing us to end up in the wrong room on Thursday night and draw the ire of a staffer. He was quick to apologize though, but I still wish there had been a more formal way for us to find out our panel was moved rather than being turned away and having to find a live ops staffer to help us out.

PLUS: The same person helped me out at Live Ops on Thursday with the panel move and Friday with my badge and she was fantastic! I'm sorry I don't remember your name; I gave you a pin though and i hope you like it. :D

MINUS (with a PLUS): A different individual at Live Ops was quite rude when we were trying to get our badges. Saying "You know you're blocking the entire doorway, right?!", immediately after another staffer told us to line up there, is not the way to handle this. "Could you guys please move the line over" would've gone over much better. I continued to have spotty staff experiences throughout the con. I work in service full-time… just smile, and don't tell someone who's got a problem to "calm down". Tell them that you're going to fix their problem and make sure you are continuing to empower your staff to do so (because that does seem to be something you guys are good for; I very rarely get a "I have to ask my DH" from you guys and that's good!).

GENERAL: If you guys are going to do the badge-refund policy for panelists in the future, you may want to change the way it's handled. I don't want to specify exactly how it worked for kind of obvious reasons but I was surprised at how it worked once I got to Live Ops today. Convenient yes, secure…… not so much. I don't want you guys getting taken advantage of.

This is all I have right now, but I'll share more if I think of it. Overall, though, great job to your whole team. I cannot stress enough the strides you've made since last year.


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