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Should signs should be banned?

Yes
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No
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Postby Chamelion » Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:00 pm

Lei_nikos wrote:I don't see what is so wrong about it. It brighten up my day when people want to hug me.

So are hugs evil?

And if sign's get banned then why don't we ban the boxes also,oh and don't forget about DOMO-kun. He is like a big sign himself if you look at it. And those other people like the domo-kun. They should be banned also.


Hey why don't we just Ban youmacon all together!


If you get my point then good. As for me Signs are not the problem.


The point I see is you feel why not just go to extremes for one single issue; are you a politician? :)

The sign issue is divided, that won't change; working out a mutually beneficial solution is the best way to go.

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Postby ImNewHere » Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:01 pm

Envisioner wrote:
Zrana wrote:
Envisioner wrote:Yes ok, if one said no the hug then they shouldnt have went for one anyway, i mean yea there are ones that will not take no, an they have to be yelled at an told off, but at the same time when they just walk around with the sign, and you go up an say "hug?" its no

i guess what im saying still is DONT LET A FEW BAD PPL, RUINING IT FOR THE REST OF US.

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I'm not letting it ruin me (I gave some hugs to the sign holders, and other times decline--sometimes with a whine greeting my decision, sometimes not). I guess my replies are about YOU (meaning sign holders in general) don't need to be defensive about people who don't like the signs either.


sorry that post was more whole thread then just you, mostly the ones that are BAN THE SIGNS, i never had one up in my face about hugs or chased down over it. to me i think they are over reacting, like Meesh, when they shoved the signs in ur face did u talk to con staff? and yea some perv might do that but thats like what i said dont let that 30yr perv, who i dont think i seen one >_> that wants to grab little girl butt..go onto something like this.

on a side note lets get off the whole "(generally) underage hormonal teenagers" thing
yes there are some that are 12-14
15-18 and older i seen them from all age groups yes im int the 18+group, an i wanted to go with a sign for it too. heck i seen a friend from my college there with a shirt that said it.
yes its all ur own option but you dnt need to force it on others, the ones that had the signs "up in there face" to me or over reacting and need to rethink it since i dotn hink a 5ft3 person can get a sign up in a 5ft 9 persons face.

So how do you tell if someone is a 30yo perv? Do you simply ban everyone over a certain age from the con? Yeah....

I say if you're under 18 you should not have the free hugs signs, and you certainly should NOT be trying to force yourself on someone. Yes, it does happen. Heck, at another con (Ikasucon) there was a date auction. I did not bid simply because the girls were all 18-21, and me being 32 I would have felt like a pedo or something.

Me? I am more concerned with the little girls, kids really, getting pushy on some occasions, and especially the one wanting money for kisses!
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Postby Twytch » Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:07 am

Youmacon '08 was my first con, and I thought the signs were just wonderful.

Besides - anyone compelled to whine about hugs should probably stay away from all forms of huggable life anyway, [Censored - watch your language].
Have a little love, eh?

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Postby DarkRain » Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:10 am

I honestly didn't mind the signs, I probably would've even hugged some of them if i wasn't so shy.

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Postby Chamelion » Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:06 am

Twytch wrote:Youmacon '08 was my first con, and I thought the signs were just wonderful.

Besides - anyone compelled to whine about hugs should probably stay away from all forms of huggable life anyway, [Censored - watch your language].
Have a little love, eh?


You likely have not properly read all the comments about the pros and cons about the Free Hug signs so I will cut you a little slack for your immature response.

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Postby Lady » Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:31 am

You guys DO realize that some signs can get Youmacon and attendees in serious legal trouble, right? Offering services for money is pandering and prostitution. "Will yaoi for $$$" is the same as saying "I will have male on male homosexual sex for money." That's prostitution. "Will kiss for $1" is in the same league. This is bad news for everyone. Not only does it run the risk of trouble for the con, but people can find themselves in very bad situations by putting themselves out like that.

It really doesn't take much for someone to turn a "free hug" into a gropefest. Please be cautious and just ASK someone if you want a hug from them. Ask politely, and don't be upset if they say "no." Not everyone enjoys being touched by people they don't know (ex: me) and some people have medical issues that could result in serious pain or injury. Others have delicate props or costumes and they don't want them to be damaged.

I know alot of congoers are socially awkward and conventions give them their outlet to find other socially awkward people with whom they can bond and get the emotional and physical contact they crave. But please try to stay safe, sane, and respectful of others and everyone will get along well.

(And, of course, if anyone does something that makes you uncomfortable, notify a staffer or security member IMMEDIATELY. We do not want those sorts of people around the convention.)

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Postby dairylives » Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:43 am

Lady wrote:You guys DO realize that some signs can get Youmacon and attendees in serious legal trouble, right? Offering services for money is pandering and prostitution. "Will yaoi for $$$" is the same as saying "I will have male on male homosexual sex for money." That's prostitution. "Will kiss for $1" is in the same league. This is bad news for everyone. Not only does it run the risk of trouble for the con, but people can find themselves in very bad situations by putting themselves out like that.

It really doesn't take much for someone to turn a "free hug" into a gropefest. Please be cautious and just ASK someone if you want a hug from them. Ask politely, and don't be upset if they say "no." Not everyone enjoys being touched by people they don't know (ex: me) and some people have medical issues that could result in serious pain or injury. Others have delicate props or costumes and they don't want them to be damaged.

I know alot of congoers are socially awkward and conventions give them their outlet to find other socially awkward people with whom they can bond and get the emotional and physical contact they crave. But please try to stay safe, sane, and respectful of others and everyone will get along well.

(And, of course, if anyone does something that makes you uncomfortable, notify a staffer or security member IMMEDIATELY. We do not want those sorts of people around the convention.)

overexaggerate much? Lighten up.

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Postby lilyclairwell » Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:48 am

When it comes to legal issues, con staff has to worry about these things. We can be held liable simply because it's happening at our event. It's never an exaggeration in times like these... parents can't even spank their children without fear of getting turned in for child abuse.

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Postby mgperkow » Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:58 am

lilyclairwell wrote:When it comes to legal issues, con staff has to worry about these things. We can be held liable simply because it's happening at our event. It's never an exaggeration in times like these... parents can't even spank their children without fear of getting turned in for child abuse.

Yeah, I'm afraid it's no joke, guys. As the organization running the event, we catch flak for almost bad thing that happens during the event, even if there was nothing we could have reasonably done. And even if there aren't legal ramifications, we also have the con's public image to think about. Just count your blessings that you're not in our shoes and can simply run around and enjoy the con. ;-)

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Postby KraZGurl » Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:43 pm

dairylives wrote:
Lady wrote:You guys DO realize that some signs can get Youmacon and attendees in serious legal trouble, right? Offering services for money is pandering and prostitution. "Will yaoi for $$$" is the same as saying "I will have male on male homosexual sex for money." That's prostitution. "Will kiss for $1" is in the same league. This is bad news for everyone. Not only does it run the risk of trouble for the con, but people can find themselves in very bad situations by putting themselves out like that.

It really doesn't take much for someone to turn a "free hug" into a gropefest. Please be cautious and just ASK someone if you want a hug from them. Ask politely, and don't be upset if they say "no." Not everyone enjoys being touched by people they don't know (ex: me) and some people have medical issues that could result in serious pain or injury. Others have delicate props or costumes and they don't want them to be damaged.

I know alot of congoers are socially awkward and conventions give them their outlet to find other socially awkward people with whom they can bond and get the emotional and physical contact they crave. But please try to stay safe, sane, and respectful of others and everyone will get along well.

(And, of course, if anyone does something that makes you uncomfortable, notify a staffer or security member IMMEDIATELY. We do not want those sorts of people around the convention.)

overexaggerate much? Lighten up.


No. She isn't overexaggerating.

I saw at least four of said signs this con. I have no problem with hug signs, but they DO lead to "Will Yaoi for $$!" signs. And there are problems with groping (remember Wheelchair Jiriya?)

Personally, for legal reasons, I think the signs should be banned all together. Sure, Youmacon can't ban people from coming in because of their age, but they also can't figure out that a person may become a problem and grope one of these kids with a sign until it's too late. I say it's time to nip the bud before it become an uncontrolable problem.
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Postby Zodiac » Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:15 pm

Lady wrote:You guys DO realize that some signs can get Youmacon and attendees in serious legal trouble, right? Offering services for money is pandering and prostitution. "Will yaoi for $$$" is the same as saying "I will have male on male homosexual sex for money." That's prostitution. "Will kiss for $1" is in the same league. This is bad news for everyone. Not only does it run the risk of trouble for the con, but people can find themselves in very bad situations by putting themselves out like that.

It really doesn't take much for someone to turn a "free hug" into a gropefest. Please be cautious and just ASK someone if you want a hug from them. Ask politely, and don't be upset if they say "no." Not everyone enjoys being touched by people they don't know (ex: me) and some people have medical issues that could result in serious pain or injury. Others have delicate props or costumes and they don't want them to be damaged.

I know alot of congoers are socially awkward and conventions give them their outlet to find other socially awkward people with whom they can bond and get the emotional and physical contact they crave. But please try to stay safe, sane, and respectful of others and everyone will get along well.

(And, of course, if anyone does something that makes you uncomfortable, notify a staffer or security member IMMEDIATELY. We do not want those sorts of people around the convention.)

I agree with her.
People should use signs in a responsible manner, if they cannot then they should be reported and staff will take care of it. Just ASK first.

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Postby Toboe5 » Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:23 pm

I really didn't care for the signs, if people wanted to waste time carrying them about then ok for them. Anyone I wanted a hug from I just asked, and everyone of them was kind and said yes. Personally I would never carry around any sort of free/will do for $ sign unless I suffered brain damage and forgot that I don't like every other person at a con hugging me. How ever many I hugs I ASK for and get is good enough for me, no signs ever needed.

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Postby Zodiac » Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:27 pm

Toboe5 wrote:I really didn't care for the signs, if people wanted to waste time carrying them about then ok for them. Anyone I wanted a hug from I just asked, and everyone of them was kind and said yes. Personally I would never carry around any sort of free/will do for $ sign unless I suffered brain damage and forgot that I don't like every other person at a con hugging me. How ever many I hugs I ASK for and get is good enough for me, no signs ever needed.

Guess they just like people hugging them? I don't know either, really :S

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Postby Katmouse » Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:26 pm

I'm all for ditching the signs. I know some of you sign lovers hate the idea, but I honestly think it'll do more good to the convention as a whole. My group has dealt with some VERY aggressive 'huggers' with signs-- hell, I had someone actually follow me around begging for a hug after I said no several times. We had people jump in front of us, wave signs in front of us, bump into us, and practically 'BAWWW' for hugs and acted all butthurt when they didn't get any.

It was really more of a nusiance than anything. Granted, it wasn't nearly as bad this year, but people just don't know how to control themselves. Put in some rule where you can carry a sign if it applys to your cosplay, but enough with the 'HUG PLZ!!1!1' and 'I NEED MONEY' signs. If you need affection and money that badly, go find your mother. :lol:
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Postby Meesh » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:59 am

Katmouse wrote:I'm all for ditching the signs. I know some of you sign lovers hate the idea, but I honestly think it'll do more good to the convention as a whole. My group has dealt with some VERY aggressive 'huggers' with signs-- hell, I had someone actually follow me around begging for a hug after I said no several times. We had people jump in front of us, wave signs in front of us, bump into us, and practically 'BAWWW' for hugs and acted all butthurt when they didn't get any.

It was really more of a nusiance than anything. Granted, it wasn't nearly as bad this year, but people just don't know how to control themselves. Put in some rule where you can carry a sign if it applys to your cosplay, but enough with the 'HUG PLZ!!1!1' and 'I NEED MONEY' signs. If you need affection and money that badly, go find your mother. :lol:



I couldn't agree with you more. What's just as irritating is when you are wearing a costume you can hardly see out of (I.E. My hollow costume) and you get people stepping in front of you wanting to get hugs. The happened twice during the little bit I was in the costume, and its disorienting enough WITHOUT people getting in your way.

Again, even though my two cents was put in well before this, it would probably benefit the convention as a whole and give one less thing for convention to worry about starting issues.
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